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In the end I got 13 GCSEs – not three – and went to the local sixth form College to study Law, English, and Psychology. ... I was also reading a lot of research by people connected with the Faculty, and wanted to study where they worked.

And that then opened the window into the thought that you could study these humanistic things and these very humanistic aspects of psychology, but you could see a pathway to a ... I wanted to study human conversation, the kind of social psychology of that